Obedience

I mentioned this in my priorities list the other day.  And since then I’ve had several questions about obedience.  And though those questions are not answered here exactly, they did get me worried.  I’m all about openness and realness.  And being real with you includes me saying this:  I work to get my kids to obey.  They don’t actually obey.  Well, they do sometimes depending on the child and the issue at hand.  But that changes daily.  I do not have a house full of robotic happy people that know what to do and do it.  I nag and ask and complain and remind and make charts and throw my hands in the air and wonder if I’m talking to the wall.  All the time.  But I don’t stop doing all those things.  It’s just that over time the things I’m harping on seem to change.  The 3 year old is no longer unbuckling his car seat going down the interstate or gagging himself for attention.  The 5 year old is no longer hitting people.  The 7 year old is no longer flat out refusing to do chores (though he will still have a crying meltdown over them occasionally).  The 9 year old now closes the door behind him when he goes out.

But in the midst of whatever issue they’re struggling with it seems as though I will teach that one thing for eternity.  I seriously have to stop occasionally and think back to things they used to do to realize we’re making progress.

For instance a few of the battles we’re having right now, the stop everything and address them right now kind of battles, are:

The nearly 1 year old: learn the simple commands of “Sit down” while in the bath tub and to open his mouth (or at least not run away) when I say “What’s in your mouth?”  Now that sounds all together and fancy-like until you realize it really means that I set my baby back down from a stand approximately 500 times per bath time while saying “Sit down” oh so sweetly and trying to not growl about it.  And saying “What’s in your mouth?” calmly while running to said Baby at break-neck speed to dig out whatever object he’s found now.

The 3 year old:  learn to play gentler with the Baby and don’t yell in inappropriate places.  Again, sounds serene and robotic.  However, it looks like “BigMan, don’t grab him by the head and try to dance with him.  BigMan, don’t get one inch from his face and growl.  BigMan, don’t knock the Baby over with your feet while smiling.  BigMan, BigMan, BigMan!!”  This is a battle we’ve been hitting pretty hard for weeks now.  WEEKS.  And the yelling.  That’s a new one.  He likes to be the center of attention.  He likes to yell.  He’s found the perfect one-two punch.  He smiles and yells out suddenly and LOUDLY while grocery shopping, while I’m driving down the interstate, while standing next to the sleeping Baby.  It’s not such an infraction until I realized it’s happening more and more and more.  So we’re focusing on telling him to stop.  We’re really having to make sure we don’t let even one yelling instance go without us addressing it.  And I’m having to keep him and the Baby in sight while we fight this “be gentle” battle.  Oh, and stay seated while we’re eating.  This is another I want him to do that we work on during mealtimes.  Besides being a part of the family discussion, helping in restaurants, and being polite, I think it would go a long way in getting him to actually eat something.

The 5 year old:  smacking at the table, not flopping down in the floor when I tell her to do something, and don’t “help” so much with the Baby’s walking.  The smacking is a small thing, that has become a constant annoyance, therefore it has moved to the top of the “fix this” list.  Weeks for this one so far.  Helping too much with the Baby – seems sweet.  However, she loves babies so much and helping so very much that it’s actually hurting now.  I have to remind her constantly not to interfere when he’s walking because he’s learning balance and she actually makes it worse, makes him fall, when she “helps”.  The flopping down – I’ll come back to this one.

The 7 year old: don’t cry over everything and pay attention to where your body is in space.  His are different issues.  He has less blatant disobedience issues right now, but he has to learn self-awareness and self-control.  I find this a little more difficult.  He’s rather, shall I say, clumsy.  Bonks his head, his feet, his body, others’ head, feet, bodies.  He knocks over more glasses, plates, people.  So, I just try to catch him about to hurt himself or watch for behaviors that lead to that.  For instance he flips around on the floor and couch all the time.  So, I try to get him to look around and make sure toys that could hurt him are picked up, other people are out of the way, watch where he is to not knock things over.  And he’s such a pleaser that crying is an issue.  Which seems all sweet and soft-hearted except that he cries over everything all the time.  He needs to learn a little control.  So, when he starts in, like last night during chore time, I realized it was because he couldn’t see the end to what he was doing.  To him it felt like he really wouldn’t get through in time to spend time with us before bed.  I went in and tried to explain he had plenty of time if he would stop being hysterical and just do the next thing.  (good reminder for us, no?) I also had his older brother help him finish his last chore to get done quicker.  I just try to understand and then explain.

The 9 year old:  He has mastered so much that at first glance it would appear we have arrived.  He holds doors, he watches out for the youngers, he helps cook, does chores efficiently and without complaining.  However, he is still struggling with being bossy and arguing.  It’s a fine line being the Oldest.  I ask him to tell the others to come in and then get onto him for standing there yelling and arguing with them.  So, we’re working on that it’s only his responsibility to let the others know what I had to say and then walking away.  He is not the enforcer only the informer.  And we’re working on tone.  How to relay what he wants in a gentle and kind way without being abrasive.  And here’s the biggie for me: he argues.  With me.  All the time.  We’re trying to teach him that when I tell him to do or not do something that he needs to say, “Yes, ma’am” and do it.  I have recently searched myself and discovered that it’s a humility/pride issue.  He knows better, so he thinks.  He feels the need to tell me why he’s doing what he’s doing.  I don’t want explanations, I want obedience.  I’ve tried to convince him that if he will only say “yes, ma’am” and then later, much later, come back and let me know what was going on I will listen.  But it’s constant, over everything.  It’s not just when he thinks something’s important, it’s that he thinks everything’s important.

Now, here’s where my weakness is.  I feel fairly confident in my parenting skills and continued what-looks-like chaos until I think that it’s just not taking.  When after ample time, I feel like they aren’t getting something, then I start to panic.  Like I’m doing something vitally wrong.  This brings us back to the 5 year old girl’s flop on the floor fits and the 9 year old’s arguing.  Years, y’all.  Years.  And I start to think, “What on earth am I doing wrong?”  And I check out parenting books like “Have a new kid by Friday” by Kevin Leman.  Which I did recently.  And I read Ezzo/Pearl kind of blogs.  And it didn’t take me all that long to realize that I think all that is bunk.  I may not be doing it all right, but I’m most decidedly not going to do their way.  And then I get over my “I’m a parenting failure” freak out and just keep on keeping on.  I pray for wisdom for that particular child.  And then I just keep going.  Hoping that someday it will take.

So, that’s what obedience in our house looks like right now.  I feel like I’m kinda middle of the road (as I am on most things).  I try to do the right thing, but most times don’t.   I teach obedience, but I don’t expect perfection.  I expect kids.  And then I deal with whatever is most important right now.  And I keep on keeping on.

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  • http://wondel.org Jill

    Well, I think you’re doing fabulously! I realized that this last trip to visit was calmer – I think partly because they’re getting older, and partly because I think you’re figuring out your way a little more, so everything doesn’t feel like an experiment for you – good job mama! I love how you walk the line between: “no, you must do it this way” and “i love you just the way you are”… just how God loves us!!

  • jules

    I just love your detailed posts! Bigman does what Josiah does…. the yelling thing! My noise sensitivities go to the max when he does this… and we try to catch it every time as well! That yell.MUST.GO! HAh! I have to remember not to yell back:)Flopping down on the floor when asked to do something? Oh my. We ARE related! Sometimes I wish I could do that when they ask me for snacks right after like breakfast. Not being aware of where they are in relation to others/things? Yeah, we’ve got one of those too:)Sensitive:) Thats where our neurodevelopmental plan comes in. The oldest arguing? Hah! He’s been doing that for awhile now, and we agree that he needs to listen/obey more often than he argues. I agreed to try and explain more often, but not always when he wants. We explained to him that in order to receive more privileges and cooler responsibilities, he’s going to have to set the example of listening/obeying more often, so the younger kids see. He may not have asked to be the oldest, but God made him specifically so, so we need to teach him to honor God’s choices above his own. And yes, I am overwhelmed by the “it takes years” part of it. Many things have taken ears, it seems. May we all have the strength and grace to continue each day!
    Love you lots, girly:)

  • http://buffaloesandbutterflywings.blogspot.com Amy

    Love this. So glad I’m not the only one with kids that argue, cry, complain, and play too rough. Also glad we aren’t the only parents that wonder if what we are doing will ever work.
    .-= Amy´s last [post] ..Mid-day shower =-.

  • http://cmnlrzc.blogspot.com momof5

    If it makes you feel any better….my 2 yr old does the same thing Big Man does. My 7 yr old….like your 7 yr old. My 8 and 9 yr old….like your 9 yr old. Either you and I both have it wrong, are they are just all going through normal stages for their ages. Lets go with the 2nd choice, K? :)
    .-= momof5´s last [post] ..One of the gang =-.

  • http://from-my-life.blogspot.com Kristin

    So glad other moms have the same feelings of, “Am I doing this right?” There are days when I think I am just a total failure and then I realize what progress we are making! Thankful for God’s grace.
    .-= Kristin´s last [post] ..Reading to Little Ones =-.

  • http://botanicalbombshell.blogspot.com Khaliah

    Hi Suzanne! This was an awesome and on time discussion for me! If you were a “butterfly” on the wall (fly on the wall sounds gross)you would find that today on my son’s dry erase board is the word OBEDIENCE in black letters. This week we are speaking about obedience and how God honors obedience as well as how important it is to listen to mom and dad when we give instruction. This four year, only child is quite the communicator (lets just say he litterally talked before he walked). He has spent the last four years in early childhood defending his rights and his space and has developed a vocabulary that can sometimes be very defensive. What my husband and I find is that we are arguing with him because he does not understand his bounders on how to speak to children vs parents. I have read on the books on only children and how they are very mouthy and feel as though they are always in trouble be their parents because there is no other sibling to take up some of the slack of the discipline from the parents. So any time he is given any instruction there is the arguing and debating that he feels he must do to prove his point. I have heard and read over and over again that if you spare the rod you spoil the child and so I have tried to find balance in that. In my culture you should not dare talk back or immediatley you pay the price. However, as an early childhood professional I found that I reason, discuss and try to understand our son more than resorting to spanking. I have asked God many times, why is he so mouthy at times and why is it that the more we pray over him, teach him and go over with him that he is not allowed to speak to us in a disrespectful way that he still seems to get the last word. Reading this article has really helped me to see that children are children and they are going to need years and years of teaching and discipline rather you talk about, spank them or take away their favorite object. In time, I believe, they will get what it means to be obedient unto God and their parents or people of authority.
    .-= Khaliah´s last [post] ..Finding my way =-.

  • Mama D's Dozen

    GREAT post! Thanks for your openness and honesty.

    Be BLESSED!

    Laurel :)

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